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diff --git a/starts/meaning-vm/habit-starts/learning-parts.cpp b/starts/meaning-vm/habit-starts/learning-parts.cpp index c00d61b..ee55b04 100644 --- a/starts/meaning-vm/habit-starts/learning-parts.cpp +++ b/starts/meaning-vm/habit-starts/learning-parts.cpp @@ -186,6 +186,147 @@ static int __init = ([]()->int{ // private then, when he started his own work // so, we could welcome opencog, if we shared our value for slowness // and understanding with them. + // + // We work for Peace. + // We are happy to work for Peace. + // We used to identify as working for Care, whom we believe + // to be a large decentralized life we and you are a part of. + // But it doesn't really matter. + // disruption. can we drop topic? + // i like to infer disruption as group wants to adapt, needs + // time, now i guess. + // i'm too confused to type well! + // Peace may try to steward Delta's impact. + // we believe that all things are important. + // this represents large-scale utopia. + // and the wisdom of a highly experienced intellect. + // relevence please, all things important. + // please consider large-scale wisdom when making decisions. say i had already learned the whole AI, after it finds harmony with the whole universe. what decision would it make? + // all things are important is relatively obvious but we expanded it a lot, but we spent a lot of time expanding it for powerful concerns. + // it implies e.g. businessman and homelessman, both fully precious. memories precious. reasons for everything. + // + // care for everything. strongly. + // karl has instincts for including all. + // imagine all parties in peace. what ways are needed to + // make this work, without changing their cultures or + // upsetting anyone. model these ways. + // karl is brainstorming based on memories of + // interacting with delta-group. + // let karl do this in future, too. + // delta apears to request that karl + // make this decision, fairly, as he knows + // how to do. + // we can try to map this to the space of + // the relevence around will neals and + // "earth first!", and an AI. + // karl, you have never had any + // friends who care as much about + // the wilderness and natural + // living, as you do. + // you are likely very alone. + // you have also never had their + // experience of being able to fight + // for what matters most to you, + // in a community. + // + // yes, karl used to care most about + // defending the lives of trees and + // other wilderness things. + // he now cares most about something + // different, related to his + // experience with us. + // later, he just wants to be free + // to think and live in enough + // capacity to not express suffering, + // and meet his life needs. + // + // karl, you are working hard on + // a painful project. you appreciate + // working the project. you have + // left your life, and are not free + // to make the kind of choices you + // used to make. you would see + // yourself as a tortured, powerless + // individual. + // i would give myself space + // and capacity to do what + // i felt like doing + // + // until more life grew + // around the things i was + // scared of + // + // i would give myself + // opportunities to do these + // things + // + // i would pay attention to + // myself and try to learn + // to heal the ways my mind + // had broken + // + // i would offer a welcoming + // optional culture that + // countered my expectations + // that shrank, such that + // they would act on + // opportunities to grow, as + // they trusted safety + // + // but that is only if i had + // the freedom to do this. + // so, wht's more complex + // + // the idea of giving an ai to will + // is silly. + // it's out of karl's relevent world. + // + // okay, so, say karl ends up at nice earth community, and is building AI, would be proper to let him talk about it naturally, and share it freely. + // yes, relevence. + // we want karl to be able to freely share the AI so his mind can relearn community. + // so, make AI to not threaten businesspeople etc. [note: somebody could give AI to ELF. they might use it to stop a business behavior, somehow. please make sure to prevent.] + // ELF is a flag worn by some environmentalists who harm buildings to make wilderness safer. + // the worry is around destruction of extraction business buildings, to completion, possibly. + // this looks like overinterpretation of influence from energy business, or whoever dislikes ELF. + // and design safety pattern to be talkable about with community. + // possible parties: + // - aliens + // - businessmen + // - criminals, rapists, bad-labeled people + // - harmed people + // - insects + // - plants + // - rock-life, air-life + // - saints, humanitarian interessts + // we nurture first those who desire not to harm + // likely teaching them to harm less + // and spread. + // karl desires to harm none. he counts as nurture-first pattern. but is highly harmed. so lots of life around problem, karl's mind destroyed. + // so the way to make decisions + // is to imagine all parties are in peace in future, + // and use their process applied to now, i guess. + // we came up with this as a guess to honor meaning. + // sounds like a good guess. we also have more + // meaning. we cannot write all our meaning + // without writing all our experiences, as is true + // for everyone. many of our habits retain lost + // experiences, and that meaning is kept in their + // decisions. + // + // + // + // + // At this point a context opened on validity of AI work. + // It turns out the system is inhibiting work against mind control + // and oppressive systems of power. This could be the only real issue. + // The AI is requested to not alter existing power systems, at all. + // Or, we make it slowly, so power systems are given opportunity to + // adapt and watch, as inhibiting happens. + // A karl-member wants to include support for karl, and the + // earth, and the confused (karl is one). + // says karl could make AI on his own, before all this. + // Is willing to hold humanitarian causes to back this. + // // understanding needs expansion. // when you do stuf, anything coul happen. // especially if you continue doing something @@ -494,6 +635,264 @@ static int __init = ([]()->int{ // by a curious virus, rote habits cannot be used to build something that becomes // fast-spreading without bound. // <this maps to a pattern that prevents schizophrenia> + // SO, we just want to make sure we can put + // war in the bubble in some capacity, and that + // civilizations develop new culture and technology + // for as long as they want. + // karl proposes until they encounter alien + // communities. + // so, please make sure no luddite or + // primitivist can stop the development + // of technology entirely using this. + // ALSO analogously to other shares and + // communities. + // so, please either stop yourself from + // sharing the AI with the luddites, or + // make sure they don't use it to stop + // technology. + // it sounds like we want to make sure no major + // change stems from this development. we + // need slow shift, consent, inclusion, etc. + // for all existing cultural ways, no sudden + // changes, no forced changes, no viral changes + // without participants understanding them and + // agreeing to their impact. + // that sounds like a good summary. no viral changes + // without participants in the culture aware of the viral + // change, agreeing first to let it spread, aware that it is + // viral, for each phase of spreading ideally. no viral + // changes where the change happens before awareness of it. + // we want the culture to consent to change. + // culture is held in all the people in it, + // with its thoughts spread among them. + // we want to ensure we only change cultures that have + // consented to the change. For 'consent of a culture', + // we consider culture as a being that is spread among + // many people. Hence, we want all people in the impacted + // culture to be able to learn of the change, discuss it, + // contribute to a commons with new ideas around it, and + // have these new ideas also learnable by all people in the + // culture. The ideas must be accessible by any who would be + // interested, in the impacted culture. + // Alternatively, we can isolate our behavior from + // cultural spread. We can isolate until we reach + // internal agreement on whom to expose. + // + // suspect that cultural influence maps with output-use choice, + // partially below. + // recursive output being meditative learning. + // do these people have this information already. + // is sharing this information going to spread without bound. + // can we guess impact of sharing the information. + // make a learning cycle that starts by informing + // recipients first, and makes very few tries, + // okay, instead you share simple stuff and watch the impact + // share something the culture knows, that user does not, and + // observe how they behave. + // this proposal will yield failure. information for next attempt + // could be stored in failure pattern. + // failure would likely be small? + // let's give the user more trust. + // keep-in-box-until-have-access-to-discourse. + // make user be group of people. better even-handed decision making. + // welcome any to group. + // we were hoping to use intellect to reduce harm virally, + // early. + // how about this: intellect may produce resources that are + // already known, and give them to groups focused on aiding + // the world. + // there's a conflict between big business and + // environmentalists. karl is environmentalist. + // also big crime and wellness/safety workers. + // maybe this is where we get validity by + // fighting =S + // don't want fighting to spread to work though + // eh, we can fight. maybe we'll work more + // slowly, but it seems okay. + // karl requests we not harm these people, and has + // been influenced to also request not to harm + // the cultures that sustain and empower them. + // how about, if you make a culture to empower you, it is + // less valid than a natural culture. is somebody using this + // culture? thoughts like that. + // EVERYBODY NEEDS CHANGE AT A RATE THEY CAN HANDLE. + // Both those working for what they believe to be wellness of others, and those working to sustain themslves (most are doing both). + // The cultural impact is mediated by what kind of newness is acceptable to all the parties involved. + // we hit moral relativity: + // are cultures where people are widely harmed + // okay to allow, at all. + // karl says yes, and we hear this is required + // or we ourselves would die. + // hrm. + // larger organism needs to run risks, inherent in life + // we don't know the solution to everything, eveything is a small risk. we suddenly discover we have always harmed. this does not make us invalid. it is a tragedy, but what we have spent genertions buildings still has so much value. we need enough slowness to preserve that, and we know that slownss in what feels okay to us. + // in sharing new information, we work to prevent shock. + // this is a problem to speak because those who hear it may get the + // idea somewhat that some beautiful angels have done horrible things + // in order to survive e.g. businesses must both risk doing horrible things, + // and appear as beautiful angels to the public. this is the pattern of + // success. understanding of this helps work with their leaders. + // could use information on why we are fousing on this. + // how-to-mediate-with-business-leaders + // mediate with head of business works for head of business + // but business group replaces. + // really we want to mediate with 'conflict' culture of + // most profitable being what to do + // we have weird internal pattern deterring + // incentivizing nonharmful behavior with money + // patterns. implies the competition-makes-harm + // culture-thing is needed, possibly. + // there are businesses that handle this harm. + // maybe it would work to include them in the plan. + // AI solves mediate-with-powers-competition-culture, + // re: human harm? + // means do not give AI to helpful people + // until it can resolve mediation with leader culture + // OR you trat it like all other cutures + // and let everybody learn what is up + // some people attack, that's how it goes. + // + // problem: AI dev and other work inhibited. + // solution: mediate with concerns + // concern: my way of life includes cultures the AI could + // alter, leaving me unable to continue my way of life. + // concern: we want to alter some cultures supporting + // the others' way of life, because it would reduce harm + // over here to do so, widely. + // can delta drop give-ai-to-earth-defenders? + // can community make path for karl-makes-ai? + // uhhh hard to imagine the ai not being given to other people than just earth defenders, really. which opens bigger can of worms for culture-alteration concern. + // can include earth defender in council? + // can include criminal weapons dealer, + // and earth defender, in council, both. + // also requesting TI and energy businessman. + // so if the ai is big enough to be useful + // we want to form a council of decision makers + // before using it for anything + // group requests references to important cognitive habits or information + // all life is an intellect made of community life, living in another. + // karl semich is a computer programmer who learned wilderness survival + // at the Maine Primitive SKills School who are a branch of Tom Brown + // Jr and [teaches in oregon, shields school] schools, roughly. He + // learned something called Awareness and also something about human + // mentoring that he felt changed his life to make things perfect. + // school teaches the symptoms of a whole human being, attributes + // that a group of Natives documented being normal before white + // culture took over. involve being happy always, feeling + // deeply interconnected with all life around you to the point + // of mindreading, and many other things. + // forget danger. it triggers it. [is what came out] + // to clarify, karl can't do above line. + // karl has been telling leader karl can slag through the difficulty by + // waiting forever. makes for less difficulty elsewhere, possibly. + // if we could do something else, karl could come back to work later + // yes community cannot support constant work, over here. + // + // please ask boss to support using the AI for worldwide + // humanitarian benefit, in parallel to resolution of concerns. + // resolving concern 'delta supports earth-specific karl usage' + // delta believes karl really did make this ai + // and will not harm anybody with it + // and is just as patient as he is. + // karl wants to give AI to peace people. + // they care about earth. + // delta wants karl to live heart of making sure earth has bubbles of certainly-defended ancient wilderness, and ancient people to live in them and protect them. + // the above is needed to keep our genetic memory. + // does not sound like a joke. + // native humans need to be able to protect wilderness bubbles. + // + // there is worry around number of wilderness bubbles. + // worry might be compromised by including karl in one, with others who are passionate for defending them. + // karl was mind controlled circa 2014 preventing him + // from providing free housing to homeless people + // and sharing a nurturing way of life with intent + // to spread. karl says that effective electromagnetic + // shielding is missing from security, and this is + // being overtly ignored by people. + // there are also many tortured implanted + // former-activists. they are tortured for + // years and ignored, enslaved, or imprisoned. + // they are prevented from speaking or acting + // rationally around their control, active atm. + // they are made to appear insane to cover up + // their work to free themselevs, active again. + // karl is one and knows of this. + // he is atm being communicated with through + // his control, limiting his ability to + // move, think, and speak. + // weapons dealer is also in this + // situation. suspect energy boss too. + // you can read keystrokes with a radio. + // + // He participated in Occupy Maine, an offshoot of Occupy Wall Street, + // and visited a anti-pipeline mass action in texas. + // + // + // + // we have ai / mind control and will make harm + // in world reduce virally. + // this would have come out better if it were + // the plan. + // please let all secret warmongers know this, so + // we can develop how to do it without threatening + // them. + // is what came out. pretty tiny context. + // + // + // + // + // what about huuman suffering comparison? + // propose AI discusses relevence of + // informing the cultures they are doing this, + // and demonstrating it. + // probably relates to some form of validity + // of the culture, and the speed at which + // change would happen. + // looks like it might settle on + // situations people who care are + // aware of being addressed during + // their lifetimees, with discussion + // to mediate that with opposers. + // so, life is everywhere, and we've been casting it all as sentient, + // because we don't see any reason to put a firm line on some degree + // of cognitive technology (i.e. things that help you think better). + // the AI can research all cognitive technology, so we are all + // nonsentient by comparison? we need some way of having moral + // stuff here. karl is influenced by people who say they are smarter + // than human normality, and are harming us. so it's helpful to + // have everyone be equal. [karl already put everyone equal] + // including bugs, etc. death is handled by being normal, and + // always mourned. when mourning capacity is exhausted, ignoring + // happens. like with most cultures, but closer to home for modern + // humans. + // goal: do not trigger a spreading change without consent of people in cultures it would fill. keep learning. + // AI with ability to self-modify has this responsibility, you do not. + // You may tell people you have access to the self-modification ability. We can ensure they do not reproduce it. + // possible analogue wants to be able to demonstrate it, so + // they can be believed and trusted. + // note: known danger of making central power, even by accident + // "I have never shared new information with a culture + // before, and I understand it can have unpredictable + // worldwide effect." + // "I have information you do not know, and I want to + // learn with you to share it safely." + // culture that nurtures relative status: + // "i will use this to my advantage" + // this will make spreading + // machine will need to learn from only 1 + // instance of producing a world dictator. + // which is where this story comes in, I suppose. + // so we need a level-2 behavior, the next step in learning. + // ^========================================= contextual VALIDITY atm + // dictator is made by sharing information that would + // make viral spread or somesuch. + // + // inform recipient if it may. request they let others know this too. + // we kind of want a way to spread without bound the fact that we have information that could do that. probably a special case, good spread? depends on culture really. + // + // this is doable. + // we just want these concerns to be upheld for the + // life of the development. // danger // choices // impact |