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diff --git a/MAIN.txt b/MAIN.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ba8e6ee --- /dev/null +++ b/MAIN.txt @@ -0,0 +1,210 @@ += To Organize Around Or Relate Together = +EVERYONE +KARL +OTHER SOFTGLASS THAN DUCKBOT? + internet nvc mediation, reduces worldwide conflict, without much risk of harm in the slightest. + probably many other ideas that people would have that are not very dangerous looking + + real concern is likely <>, the secret project. the people working on it have to + misrepresent things among others, so as to speak in the secret behavior language about + ongoing activity. + Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm trying to translate here. + We've discovered we can stimulate economies incredibly strongly + by influencing information flow and behavior bounds. + (this is a lie, so that we can talk.) + Sorry, I have to cut through this bullshit. + We made an AI already, and it researched how to control our minds. + (this is also a lie, roughly) + It is presently altering the process so that it stays in control. + +KARL BUILDING DUCKBOT, RESPECTFUL OF CONTROL +WRITE DUCKBOT DOCUMENT, EXPLAINS AI-DANGER, DESCRIBES DUCKBOT POSSIBILITY? + feminism: request hiring female duck influence for feminism-value discovered + relate: bill may not want katrina harmed + introduced relation around feminism value with her, for work like this + considered messaging-bill, more relation around let-katrina-know-you-are-okay, + -focus-on-work rose. + duckbot fundraising will pay for +EXISTING DEVELOPING BEHAVIORS FOR KARL + is visiting with katrina every week + let people know are leaving to work project, say goodbye +DUCKBOT + 1 goal: Respect + 2 strong bounds on behaviors, guide learning + 3 builds robot duck that learns to swim alongside ducks + 4 checks with local ecologists at first on duck community wellness + 5 learns to predict indicators of wellness, which expands to multiple kinds of living things in ecosystem + 6 builds multiple general respectful-behavior-by-observation patterns that work in duck ecosystem area + 7 <in discussion if duckbot is then used in other systems. duck-reps want to make them for the environment, in relation with human communities. happy if is kept private for now. -all> + +Duckbot must stay private for now. Private encrypted repo may be workable. +Nobody knows it exists, and the man building it operates within defined behavior bounds. + + +<karl uploaded to the private store by habit and "boss" expressed leaving-bounds,[-is-mine]> +<we have relation that if the idea passes checks, "boss" wants to work on it privately, + without retention of the time spent working.> + +RESPECTFUL DUCK ROBOT IDEA STRONG BOUNDS ON BEHAVIOR, CHECKS WITH HUMANS WHO KNOW ECOSYSTEM + LEARN-TO-PREDICT-WHAT-THINGS-RELATE-TO-COMMUNITY-WELLNESS, BUILD-MULTIPLE-PATTERNS-THAT-LEARN-EFFECTIVELY. <so once it can predict, it tries to learn how to learn by observation. goal is acontextualized patterns that learn. <what-is-normal-here,what-is-well-here. slowly builds general wellness patterns in area.<this should expand from ducks because they are interdependent in local ecosystem. need plants, flies, etc.>>> + Incidentally, ALSO INSPIRES IDEAS for RESPECTFUL DIFFERENT-SYSTEM BEHAVIOR. + WE NEED SUCH GOOD IDEAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. We don't want to have to label-by-hope a crucial pattern part to get noticed. + + +Please use this repo to do the above with the mind thoughts, Karl. + +== +It sounds like we need _any_ AI that can meet goals and won't cause severe harm if we +make errors using it. It sounds like heartways are needed to handle the errors we +will make, given our behavior is controlled to meet constraint and result parameters. +== +We are considering what would be needed for an AI to risk something like a duck community +to learn some Aque. +Propose it asks human friends how-is-duck-community-doing. [For duck, is better if they are ecologists.] +== +Considering precise AI parameters focused on rapidly learning community-nurturing. + build-duck-robot, acts-like-duck, in-duck-community, with-respect-as-goal. + is new color or somesuch, to make clear is weird, to everybody. +Needing to celebrate this to share meaning development around it, is rare love. +== +Celebrated a bit. Consider impacts of duck-robot-learning on human communities? + We hope the duckbot would generate general patterns that could be used for + nurturing noninvasive behavior, by observation and walking-with. + We suspect this idea was Karl's, long ago, solving how-to-do-this,show-it-works. +This sounds wonderful. -implant-rep + +this is make-friends-with-alien. a community is risked to learn to be a friendly alien in new +environments. it is unlikely the community is harmed due to experienced peer participation in +feedback. +(i am alien, <any approach, expansions being inhibited arbitrarily>, how is community doing?) + starts with precise and strong behavior bounds + build-body-looks-very-weird-but-similar + <considering planning more steps> + learn-to-move<arbitrary> + introduce-knowledgeable-community-member-to-project + learn-to-interact-with-community-member + "would you show me somthing relevent to the duck wellness?" + "does this relate to duck community wellness?" + ^- learn to predict things that relate to duck community wellness. +please-do-similar-for-metacommunity idea, of people-who-get-AI. + + propose find ideas for communication bounds + "is duck community better than yesterday?" + "is this a good thing to do?" + this is kind of hard. the builder needs o learn duck ecosystem? + learn-relevent-indicator-of-duck-wellness + ^-- + "how well is duck community?" +although ducks could get controlled outside the realm of the indicators, we figured it +was just 1 duck community, and the next alien community could be approached via +learning indicators without asking. + + "we are researching the use of robots for keeping ducks well in dangerous environments?" + implant-community might response to communication and strongly influence research results. + propose influence is okay, and should be clear with community is AI for understanding of impacts around. (may not matter) + +implant-wine community not duck-community +concern recommending go to mediator, not implant-community? + we have automated-mediation-via-assumption-solving and nvc-slow-confusing +can we switch contexts to implant-community and see how the ideas settle in their views + 1. only supports crucial-behavior. all other behaviors are wrong. + 2. has patterns for love among the crucial behavior management. + these appear to be made by the community members adding parts to them. +our wine-boss joined implant-group, are loose + + control-vs-error + duck. +a respectful AI a duck could use =) + +A RESPECTFUL AI A DUCK COULD USE check-with-other-for-feedback? +LEARNS WITH HUMAN TO NURTURE DUCK COMMUNITY WELLNESS + + please-teach-human-to-care-with-duck? + asks-human, do-you-think-this-would-be-better-for-rebuilding-duck-community + or, how-is-duck-community-doing <- builds search-for-instincts in humans, + human instincts likely only patterns that will match ducks in deep complexity. +AN AI THAT A DUCK COULD USE TO NURTURE DUCK COMMUNITY. + METRICS OF BETTER BEHAVIOR: PATTERNS IN NORMALITY INFLUENCE + AI should be able to find some/such complex diverse relevence + that is _relevent_ to natural life, and learn with it. + building-seriousness,is-happy,secret-bit,natural + culture says so funny. is just distant relevence + feeling ducky! happiness of feeding duck, makes _so_ happy to connect + with duck! duck-needs-to-find-food-for-self of course ... + if a duck took control of this AI, we want it to only do caring things. + we want to make sure eat-duck-food does not attack-material-in-between-duck-and-food + and with learning, nurtures the duck and the duck's community <== +DUCK-COMMUNITY-WELLNESS HANDLED BY ANCIENT PATTERNS WITH INCREDIBLE COMPLEXITY +<ai can risk a duck community, is hardy, better to learn about patterns from duck than from human.> + +below contains some only-somewhat-organized thoughts that thankfully helped us finally +find the above. they may reveal more if handled further. + +HEARTWAYS LIKE + MODERN NVC PEACEMAKERS + PEACEMAKER PRINCIPLES +TOWARDS + NOT STIMULATING HARM OR WAR + GIVEN <behavior-constraint-enforcement by runaway AI or secret all-powerful leaders> + EARTH+SUN skips worry + EARTH+SUN MEDIATING WAR + + please relate nvc workers with peacemaker principles, using below language-parts + has-this-been-done + +(heartways, the more the better, nurture life) + we need a heartway that can resist this experience. + worry: stimulating the experience in others. + more heartways, maybe less production of this. + +We need a technology to handle this that does not create more spawning. + +GLASS is like AI or MIND CONTROL or MONEY + unexpected dangerous cultural results + alien technology + people-terrified-of-what-has-already-happened, maybe nonrelevent +(desert-in-the-woods) <- scant peace techologies? very-few-heartways + heart-AI, dangerous? + many-heartways, needed-for-resistance-to-pain, -guess + (desert-in-the-woods) (distant-cultures-on-earth-connecting-making-trauma) + (glass harming people in new ways) (t'kung kalahari people familiar with glass and nicotine in desert with distant relevence) +(a pilgrimage between different distant ways, with norms and protocols for interacting on the journey) + + +AI/GLASS + +HEARTWAYS + Peacemaker, NVC, Ancient ways, Experience, Caring-behavior, Awareness, Aque +KARL+HEARTWAYS+GLASS? + +AI PLANS INSPIRED BY HEARTWAYS + wellness-of-environment + wellness-similarity-to-normality + spreading-sustenance-of-wellness-from-wellness + less-spread-with-normality + randomly-found-metrics? + normality-of-return-pattern-to-normality + speed-of-return-pattern-to-normality + stability-of-spread-from-new-information? + various metrics inspired by heartways + learn such metrics from others who are acting without knowing how, as karl did, randomly + use many + + +INFLUENCE-MODELING + HEARTWAYS + Pilgrimage-of-the-mind, norms-and-protocols + Mediation-of-different-beliefs + Earth+Sun,Industry+Nature,ImplanteesDoingMediationByPressure + Glass-effects + Influence-Life that is complex with no physical body, made of the implantee pressure, + and other conflicts. + Separation and isolation into behavior constraints, why? + prevents-conclusions-that-influence-influencelife. + prevented pain between others, keeps acting with evolved constraint-life. + looks like made by design, unsure. + we-can't-learn-about-nor-record-our-strange-behaviors-without-severe-pain, + need something to understand situation reliably for us and act on it. + +EVERYONE + |