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= To Organize Around Or Relate Together =
EVERYONE
IMPLANTEES + IMPLANTERS, ONE GROUP? NOT-FIGHTING? (?? what is relevence?)
KARL
OTHER SOFTGLASS THAN DUCKBOT?
internet nvc mediation, reduces worldwide conflict, without much risk of harm in the slightest.
probably many other ideas that people would have that are not very dangerous looking
real concern is likely wine group, can spread harm in sudden ways, kinda.
we have chinese members who have reliable probabilistic association with wars.
can't we just stop them from starting thtem?
<roy explained to me that we have not succeeded at this yet>
<i talked with them and they were jerks so i kicked them out. no, i didn't
relate around the concern.>
<chinese man offers recording showing they did not behave as jerks here,
but simply revealed having done so in the past.>
KARL BUILDING DUCKBOT, RESPECTFUL OF CONTROL
WRITE DUCKBOT DOCUMENT, EXPLAINS AI-DANGER, DESCRIBES DUCKBOT POSSIBILITY?
feminism: request hiring female duck influence for feminism-value discovered
relate: bill may not want katrina harmed
introduced relation around feminism value with her, for work like this
considered messaging-bill, more relation around let-katrina-know-you-are-okay,
-focus-on-work rose.
duckbot fundraising will pay for
EXISTING DEVELOPING BEHAVIORS FOR KARL
is visiting with katrina every week
let people know are leaving to work project, say goodbye
DUCKBOT
1 goal: Respect
2 strong bounds on behaviors, guide learning
3 builds robot duck that learns to swim alongside ducks
4 checks with local ecologists at first on duck community wellness
5 learns to predict indicators of wellness, which expands to multiple kinds of living things in ecosystem
6 builds multiple general respectful-behavior-by-observation patterns that work in duck ecosystem area
7 <in discussion if duckbot is then used in other systems. duck-reps want to make them for the environment, in relation with human communities. happy if is kept private for now. -all>
<karl uploaded to the private store by habit and "boss" expressed leaving-bounds,[-is-mine]>
<we have relation that if the idea passes checks, "boss" wants to work on it privately,
without retention of the time spent working.>
RESPECTFUL DUCK ROBOT IDEA STRONG BOUNDS ON BEHAVIOR, CHECKS WITH HUMANS WHO KNOW ECOSYSTEM
LEARN-TO-PREDICT-WHAT-THINGS-RELATE-TO-COMMUNITY-WELLNESS, BUILD-MULTIPLE-PATTERNS-THAT-LEARN-EFFECTIVELY. <so once it can predict, it tries to learn how to learn by observation. goal is acontextualized patterns that learn. <what-is-normal-here,what-is-well-here. slowly builds general wellness patterns in area.<this should expand from ducks because they are interdependent in local ecosystem. need plants, flies, etc.>>>
Incidentally, ALSO INSPIRES IDEAS for RESPECTFUL DIFFERENT-SYSTEM BEHAVIOR.
WE NEED SUCH GOOD IDEAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. We don't want to have to label-by-hope a crucial pattern part to get noticed.
Please use this repo to do the above with the mind thoughts, Karl.
==
It sounds like we need _any_ AI that can meet goals and won't cause severe harm if we
make errors using it. It sounds like heartways are needed to handle the errors we
will make, given our behavior is controlled to meet constraint and result parameters.
==
We are considering what would be needed for an AI to risk something like a duck community
to learn some Aque.
Propose it asks human friends how-is-duck-community-doing. [For duck, is better if they are ecologists.]
==
Considering precise AI parameters focused on rapidly learning community-nurturing.
build-duck-robot, acts-like-duck, in-duck-community, with-respect-as-goal.
is new color or somesuch, to make clear is weird, to everybody.
Needing to celebrate this to share meaning development around it, is rare love.
==
Celebrated a bit. Consider impacts of duck-robot-learning on human communities?
We hope the duckbot would generate general patterns that could be used for
nurturing noninvasive behavior, by observation and walking-with.
We suspect this idea was Karl's, long ago, solving how-to-do-this,show-it-works.
This sounds wonderful. -implant-rep
this is make-friends-with-alien. a community is risked to learn to be a friendly alien in new
environments. it is unlikely the community is harmed due to experienced peer participation in
feedback.
(i am alien, <any approach, expansions being inhibited arbitrarily>, how is community doing?)
starts with precise and strong behavior bounds
build-body-looks-very-weird-but-similar
<considering planning more steps>
learn-to-move<arbitrary>
introduce-knowledgeable-community-member-to-project
learn-to-interact-with-community-member
"would you show me somthing relevent to the duck wellness?"
"does this relate to duck community wellness?"
^- learn to predict things that relate to duck community wellness.
please-do-similar-for-metacommunity idea, of people-who-get-AI.
propose find ideas for communication bounds
"is duck community better than yesterday?"
"is this a good thing to do?"
this is kind of hard. the builder needs o learn duck ecosystem?
learn-relevent-indicator-of-duck-wellness
^--
"how well is duck community?"
although ducks could get controlled outside the realm of the indicators, we figured it
was just 1 duck community, and the next alien community could be approached via
learning indicators without asking.
"we are researching the use of robots for keeping ducks well in dangerous environments?"
implant-community might response to communication and strongly influence research results.
propose influence is okay, and should be clear with community is AI for understanding of impacts around. (may not matter)
implant-wine community not duck-community
concern recommending go to mediator, not implant-community?
we have automated-mediation-via-assumption-solving and nvc-slow-confusing
can we switch contexts to implant-community and see how the ideas settle in their views
1. only supports crucial-behavior. all other behaviors are wrong.
2. has patterns for love among the crucial behavior management.
these appear to be made by the community members adding parts to them.
our wine-boss joined implant-group, are loose
control-vs-error
duck.
a respectful AI a duck could use =)
A RESPECTFUL AI A DUCK COULD USE check-with-other-for-feedback?
LEARNS WITH HUMAN TO NURTURE DUCK COMMUNITY WELLNESS
please-teach-human-to-care-with-duck?
asks-human, do-you-think-this-would-be-better-for-rebuilding-duck-community
or, how-is-duck-community-doing <- builds search-for-instincts in humans,
human instincts likely only patterns that will match ducks in deep complexity.
AN AI THAT A DUCK COULD USE TO NURTURE DUCK COMMUNITY.
METRICS OF BETTER BEHAVIOR: PATTERNS IN NORMALITY INFLUENCE
AI should be able to find some/such complex diverse relevence
that is _relevent_ to natural life, and learn with it.
building-seriousness,is-happy,secret-bit,natural
culture says so funny. is just distant relevence
feeling ducky! happiness of feeding duck, makes _so_ happy to connect
with duck! duck-needs-to-find-food-for-self of course ...
if a duck took control of this AI, we want it to only do caring things.
we want to make sure eat-duck-food does not attack-material-in-between-duck-and-food
and with learning, nurtures the duck and the duck's community <==
DUCK-COMMUNITY-WELLNESS HANDLED BY ANCIENT PATTERNS WITH INCREDIBLE COMPLEXITY
<ai can risk a duck community, is hardy, better to learn about patterns from duck than from human.>
below contains some only-somewhat-organized thoughts that thankfully helped us finally
find the above. they may reveal more if handled further.
HEARTWAYS LIKE
MODERN NVC PEACEMAKERS
PEACEMAKER PRINCIPLES
TOWARDS
NOT STIMULATING HARM OR WAR
GIVEN <behavior-constraint-enforcement by runaway AI or secret all-powerful leaders>
EARTH+SUN skips worry
EARTH+SUN MEDIATING WAR
please relate nvc workers with peacemaker principles, using below language-parts
has-this-been-done
(heartways, the more the better, nurture life)
we need a heartway that can resist this experience.
worry: stimulating the experience in others.
more heartways, maybe less production of this.
We need a technology to handle this that does not create more spawning.
GLASS is like AI or MIND CONTROL or MONEY
unexpected dangerous cultural results
alien technology
people-terrified-of-what-has-already-happened, maybe nonrelevent
(desert-in-the-woods) <- scant peace techologies? very-few-heartways
heart-AI, dangerous?
many-heartways, needed-for-resistance-to-pain, -guess
(desert-in-the-woods) (distant-cultures-on-earth-connecting-making-trauma)
(glass harming people in new ways) (t'kung kalahari people familiar with glass and nicotine in desert with distant relevence)
(a pilgrimage between different distant ways, with norms and protocols for interacting on the journey)
AI/GLASS
HEARTWAYS
Peacemaker, NVC, Ancient ways, Experience, Caring-behavior, Awareness, Aque
KARL+HEARTWAYS+GLASS?
AI PLANS INSPIRED BY HEARTWAYS
wellness-of-environment
wellness-similarity-to-normality
spreading-sustenance-of-wellness-from-wellness
less-spread-with-normality
randomly-found-metrics?
normality-of-return-pattern-to-normality
speed-of-return-pattern-to-normality
stability-of-spread-from-new-information?
various metrics inspired by heartways
learn such metrics from others who are acting without knowing how, as karl did, randomly
use many
INFLUENCE-MODELING
HEARTWAYS
Pilgrimage-of-the-mind, norms-and-protocols
Mediation-of-different-beliefs
Earth+Sun,Industry+Nature,ImplanteesDoingMediationByPressure
Glass-effects
Influence-Life that is complex with no physical body, made of the implantee pressure,
and other conflicts.
Separation and isolation into behavior constraints, why?
prevents-conclusions-that-influence-influencelife.
prevented pain between others, keeps acting with evolved constraint-life.
looks like made by design, unsure.
we-can't-learn-about-nor-record-our-strange-behaviors-without-severe-pain,
need something to understand situation reliably for us and act on it.
EVERYONE
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