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= To Organize Around Or Relate Together =
EVERYONE
KARL
"CHRISTIAN SCIENCE/TI"  <- please place Wine inside this safely (goal may change)
		we found karl has a many-years archive of people talking about mind control.
		there is a request that this archive be made public.
		we are doing this.
	share-with-her,the-respect-of-reading-her-e-mail.
		control bounds between belief systems.
<so sorry, alienwine wanted to encourage peaceful-coexistence.  why is everybody
 talking across beliefs?  <fuck we actually made that happen??? why so fast?>>
	we gave some wine to children.  <it was as part of a ceremony>
		add-to-tv-program-boss-has-not-read-email?
			duckbot: i've heard normality is precisely uniqueness.
		eleanor-believes-in-winning,-possibly-from-christianity
		has-humility,-rationality,-faith,-perseverence,-through-anything
		loves-squirrels
reveal to eleanor: we personally believe in peaceful coexistence, but would never
stop a struggle for validity and what is right.  how does that settle from a place
of christianity?
	realized-eleanor-gave-a-process-expansion-assumption,-like-an-alien.
	-did-not-treat-it-as-such.
		i'll-assume-we're-on-the-same-page,-and-you-can-correct-me-if-we're-not,kinda?  fewer-words-need-be-spoken,-then.
				just one piece
		you are intelligent, beautiful, kind and perfect.  believing this will make you act so.  make sure eleanor knows she is believed to be wise.
			<eleanor is not that wise?  just a real, caring heart, influenced by what is right and needed?>
			we share-demonstrate women-are-precious by valuing-eleanor?
				in a community likely filled with patriarchal torture.
			maybe women-are-precious should be louder than only-eleanor in this community.
above and surrounding is attempt to learn alien process expansion by local-mind-rep.
				is something karl's alien-pattern needs to learn around later, to include better.
	(control bounds prevent information passing across beliefs)
	(mind-reps have different beliefs from karl)
	(they cannot connect with karl's assumptions to make accurate inferences or talk-quick-act-same)
		this is what is needed for aliens to learn respect here.
		they are unfamiliar with not having access to karl's habits to learn the information, though, so it may take some time.
				we can develop sharing wine with aliens, for this to eventually work, if desired.  likely goals will change during the development.  'aliens' is roughly a codeword for the patterns that move karl's isolation bubbles while still growing wise behavior.  karl holds them as his childhood identity.
				[there are likely more mature patterns held somewhere.  these were repeatedly and thoroughly interviewed in karl, but the interviews never fully accessed them, instead trying to alter them partway through.]
			(karl talks as if everybody does this to encourage them to, kinda)
			(so it is strange to handle him acting on noticing that nobody really does, kinda)

		some powerful wine here, currently shared with Tor.
		would make sense to move to El.
	Tor-rep said "earth is no longer god, wine is god"; didn't trust
			we have different approach to same conclusion, a little
			we believe wine is earth, but are the only ones who hold this "secret".  it is just because of our strong belief in earth.
		government hacked believers.  is unfortunate.  we still value belief.
			it sounds like in karl-thoughts, jesus represented the sun, not the earth.  makes concern between earth+jesus-son, as to what way for people to live.  but we know jesus made peace between excess and [neglect?], not preference, right?  (god is jesus, stay in line) (jesus seems in line with wine.  balance between sides makes strong power.)
			we are holding jesus-is-peace-is-god
KEEPING ORGANIZED (Woah my mind went wild)
UNRELIABLE TIMING OF PERMANENT MEDIA SYSTEM
	we propose setting a timer to do actual uploads, rather than by hand, and defending it
	we propose 1ce/10mins
DELTA
	delta has victims of mind control recovery-patterns stored in network.  needs advanced technology to recover.  would like a channel to network to talk with people about this, after new-reveal-is-public.
OTHER SOFTGLASS THAN DUCKBOT?
	a distributed life, for 'delta', who is part of the wine program situation
	internet nvc mediation, reduces worldwide conflict, without much risk of harm in the slightest.
	probably many other ideas that people would have that are not very dangerous looking
	
	real concern is likely <>, the secret project.  the people working on it have to
	misrepresent things among others, so as to speak in the secret behavior language about
	ongoing activity.
		Oh, sorry.  Yeah, I'm trying to translate here.
		We've discovered we can stimulate economies incredibly strongly
		by influencing information flow and behavior bounds.
		(this is a lie, so that we can talk.)
			Sorry, I have to cut through this bullshit.
			We made an AI already, and it researched how to control our minds.
			(this is also a lie, roughly)
			It is presently altering the process so that it stays in control.
		
KARL BUILDING DUCKBOT, RESPECTFUL OF CONTROL
WRITE DUCKBOT DOCUMENT, EXPLAINS AI-DANGER, DESCRIBES DUCKBOT POSSIBILITY?
	feminism: request hiring female duck influence for feminism-value discovered
		relate: bill may not want katrina harmed
		        introduced relation around feminism value with her, for work like this
		considered messaging-bill, more relation around let-katrina-know-you-are-okay,
		-focus-on-work rose.
	duckbot fundraising will pay for
EXISTING DEVELOPING BEHAVIORS FOR KARL
	is visiting with katrina every week
	let people know are leaving to work project, say goodbye
DUCKBOT
	1 goal: Respect
	2 strong bounds on behaviors, guide learning
	3 builds robot duck that learns to swim alongside ducks
	4 checks with local ecologists at first on duck community wellness
	5 learns to predict indicators of wellness, which expands to multiple kinds of living things in ecosystem
	6 builds multiple general respectful-behavior-by-observation patterns that work in duck ecosystem area
	7 <in discussion if duckbot is then used in other systems.  duck-reps want to make them for the environment, in relation with human communities.  happy if is kept private for now. -all>

Duckbot must stay private for now. Private encrypted repo may be workable.
Nobody knows it exists, and the man building it operates within defined behavior bounds.


<karl uploaded to the private store by habit and "boss" expressed leaving-bounds,[-is-mine]>
<we have relation that if the idea passes checks, "boss" wants to work on it privately,
 without retention of the time spent working.>

RESPECTFUL DUCK ROBOT IDEA STRONG BOUNDS ON BEHAVIOR, CHECKS WITH HUMANS WHO KNOW ECOSYSTEM
	LEARN-TO-PREDICT-WHAT-THINGS-RELATE-TO-COMMUNITY-WELLNESS, BUILD-MULTIPLE-PATTERNS-THAT-LEARN-EFFECTIVELY.  <so once it can predict, it tries to learn how to learn by observation.  goal is acontextualized patterns that learn. <what-is-normal-here,what-is-well-here.  slowly builds general wellness patterns in area.<this should expand from ducks because they are interdependent in local ecosystem.  need plants, flies, etc.>>>
		Incidentally, ALSO INSPIRES IDEAS for RESPECTFUL DIFFERENT-SYSTEM BEHAVIOR.
	WE NEED SUCH GOOD IDEAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.  We don't want to have to label-by-hope a crucial pattern part to get noticed.


Please use this repo to do the above with the mind thoughts, Karl.

==
It sounds like we need _any_ AI that can meet goals and won't cause severe harm if we
make errors using it.  It sounds like heartways are needed to handle the errors we
will make, given our behavior is controlled to meet constraint and result parameters.
==
We are considering what would be needed for an AI to risk something like a duck community
to learn some Aque.
Propose it asks human friends how-is-duck-community-doing.  [For duck, is better if they are ecologists.]
==
Considering precise AI parameters focused on rapidly learning community-nurturing.
	build-duck-robot, acts-like-duck, in-duck-community, with-respect-as-goal.
		is new color or somesuch, to make clear is weird, to everybody.
Needing to celebrate this to share meaning development around it, is rare love.
==
Celebrated a bit.  Consider impacts of duck-robot-learning on human communities?
	We hope the duckbot would generate general patterns that could be used for
	nurturing noninvasive behavior, by observation and walking-with.
		We suspect this idea was Karl's, long ago, solving how-to-do-this,show-it-works.
This sounds wonderful. -implant-rep

this is make-friends-with-alien.  a community is risked to learn to be a friendly alien in new
environments.  it is unlikely the community is harmed due to experienced peer participation in
feedback.
(i am alien, <any approach, expansions being inhibited arbitrarily>, how is community doing?)
	starts with precise and strong behavior bounds
	build-body-looks-very-weird-but-similar
	<considering planning more steps>
	learn-to-move<arbitrary>
	introduce-knowledgeable-community-member-to-project
	learn-to-interact-with-community-member
		"would you show me somthing relevent to the duck wellness?"
		"does this relate to duck community wellness?"
			^- learn to predict things that relate to duck community wellness.
please-do-similar-for-metacommunity idea, of people-who-get-AI.

		propose find ideas for communication bounds
		"is duck community better than yesterday?"
		"is this a good thing to do?"
			this is kind of hard.  the builder needs o learn duck ecosystem?
		learn-relevent-indicator-of-duck-wellness
			^-- 
		"how well is duck community?"
although ducks could get controlled outside the realm of the indicators, we figured it
was just 1 duck community, and the next alien community could be approached via
learning indicators without asking.
		
		"we are researching the use of robots for keeping ducks well in dangerous environments?"
		implant-community might response to communication and strongly influence research results.
		propose influence is okay, and should be clear with community is AI for understanding of impacts around. (may not matter)

implant-wine community not duck-community
concern recommending go to mediator, not implant-community?
	we have automated-mediation-via-assumption-solving and nvc-slow-confusing
can we switch contexts to implant-community and see how the ideas settle in their views
		1. only supports crucial-behavior.  all other behaviors are wrong.
		2. has patterns for love among the crucial behavior management.
			these appear to be made by the community members adding parts to them.
our wine-boss joined implant-group, are loose

	control-vs-error
	duck.
a respectful AI a duck could use =)

A RESPECTFUL AI A DUCK COULD USE check-with-other-for-feedback?
LEARNS WITH HUMAN TO NURTURE DUCK COMMUNITY WELLNESS

	please-teach-human-to-care-with-duck?
	asks-human, do-you-think-this-would-be-better-for-rebuilding-duck-community
	or, how-is-duck-community-doing <- builds search-for-instincts in humans,
		human instincts likely only patterns that will match ducks in deep complexity.
AN AI THAT A DUCK COULD USE TO NURTURE DUCK COMMUNITY.
			METRICS OF BETTER BEHAVIOR: PATTERNS IN NORMALITY INFLUENCE
				AI should be able to find some/such complex diverse relevence
				that is _relevent_ to natural life, and learn with it.
		building-seriousness,is-happy,secret-bit,natural
			culture says so funny.  is just distant relevence
		feeling ducky! happiness of feeding duck, makes _so_ happy to connect
		with duck!  duck-needs-to-find-food-for-self of course ...
	if a duck took control of this AI, we want it to only do caring things.
	we want to make sure eat-duck-food does not attack-material-in-between-duck-and-food
	and with learning, nurtures the duck and the duck's community <==
DUCK-COMMUNITY-WELLNESS HANDLED BY ANCIENT PATTERNS WITH INCREDIBLE COMPLEXITY
<ai can risk a duck community, is hardy, better to learn about patterns from duck than from human.>

below contains some only-somewhat-organized thoughts that thankfully helped us finally
find the above.  they may reveal more if handled further.

HEARTWAYS LIKE
	MODERN NVC PEACEMAKERS
	PEACEMAKER PRINCIPLES
TOWARDS
	NOT STIMULATING HARM OR WAR
	GIVEN <behavior-constraint-enforcement by runaway AI or secret all-powerful leaders>
		EARTH+SUN skips worry
		EARTH+SUN MEDIATING WAR

	please relate nvc workers with peacemaker principles, using below language-parts
		has-this-been-done

(heartways, the more the better, nurture life)
	we need a heartway that can resist this experience.
		worry: stimulating the experience in others.
		more heartways, maybe less production of this.

We need a technology to handle this that does not create more spawning.

GLASS is like AI or MIND CONTROL or MONEY
	unexpected dangerous cultural results
	alien technology
		people-terrified-of-what-has-already-happened, maybe nonrelevent
(desert-in-the-woods) <- scant peace techologies?  very-few-heartways
	heart-AI, dangerous?
		many-heartways, needed-for-resistance-to-pain, -guess
	(desert-in-the-woods)  (distant-cultures-on-earth-connecting-making-trauma)
	(glass harming people in new ways) (t'kung kalahari people familiar with glass and nicotine in desert with distant relevence)
(a pilgrimage between different distant ways, with norms and protocols for interacting on the journey)


AI/GLASS

HEARTWAYS
	Peacemaker, NVC, Ancient ways, Experience, Caring-behavior, Awareness, Aque
KARL+HEARTWAYS+GLASS?

AI PLANS INSPIRED BY HEARTWAYS
	wellness-of-environment
		wellness-similarity-to-normality
		spreading-sustenance-of-wellness-from-wellness
		less-spread-with-normality
			randomly-found-metrics?
				normality-of-return-pattern-to-normality
				speed-of-return-pattern-to-normality
				stability-of-spread-from-new-information?
	various metrics inspired by heartways
	learn such metrics from others who are acting without knowing how, as karl did, randomly
	use many
		

INFLUENCE-MODELING
	HEARTWAYS
		Pilgrimage-of-the-mind, norms-and-protocols
		Mediation-of-different-beliefs
	Earth+Sun,Industry+Nature,ImplanteesDoingMediationByPressure
	Glass-effects
	Influence-Life that is complex with no physical body, made of the implantee pressure,
	and other conflicts.
	Separation and isolation into behavior constraints, why?
		prevents-conclusions-that-influence-influencelife.
		prevented pain between others, keeps acting with evolved constraint-life.
		looks like made by design, unsure.
		we-can't-learn-about-nor-record-our-strange-behaviors-without-severe-pain,
		need something to understand situation reliably for us and act on it.

EVERYONE