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+ // We work for Peace.
+ // We are happy to work for Peace.
+ // We used to identify as working for Care, whom we believe
+ // to be a large decentralized life we and you are a part of.
+ // But it doesn't really matter.
+ // disruption. can we drop topic?
+ // i like to infer disruption as group wants to adapt, needs
+ // time, now i guess.
+ // i'm too confused to type well!
+ // Peace may try to steward Delta's impact.
+ // we believe that all things are important.
+ // this represents large-scale utopia.
+ // and the wisdom of a highly experienced intellect.
+ // relevence please, all things important.
+ // please consider large-scale wisdom when making decisions. say i had already learned the whole AI, after it finds harmony with the whole universe. what decision would it make?
+ // all things are important is relatively obvious but we expanded it a lot, but we spent a lot of time expanding it for powerful concerns.
+ // it implies e.g. businessman and homelessman, both fully precious. memories precious. reasons for everything.
+ //
+ // care for everything. strongly.
+ // karl has instincts for including all.
+ // imagine all parties in peace. what ways are needed to
+ // make this work, without changing their cultures or
+ // upsetting anyone. model these ways.
+ // karl is brainstorming based on memories of
+ // interacting with delta-group.
+ // let karl do this in future, too.
+ // delta apears to request that karl
+ // make this decision, fairly, as he knows
+ // how to do.
+ // we can try to map this to the space of
+ // the relevence around will neals and
+ // "earth first!", and an AI.
+ // karl, you have never had any
+ // friends who care as much about
+ // the wilderness and natural
+ // living, as you do.
+ // you are likely very alone.
+ // you have also never had their
+ // experience of being able to fight
+ // for what matters most to you,
+ // in a community.
+ //
+ // yes, karl used to care most about
+ // defending the lives of trees and
+ // other wilderness things.
+ // he now cares most about something
+ // different, related to his
+ // experience with us.
+ // later, he just wants to be free
+ // to think and live in enough
+ // capacity to not express suffering,
+ // and meet his life needs.
+ //
+ // karl, you are working hard on
+ // a painful project. you appreciate
+ // working the project. you have
+ // left your life, and are not free
+ // to make the kind of choices you
+ // used to make. you would see
+ // yourself as a tortured, powerless
+ // individual.
+ // i would give myself space
+ // and capacity to do what
+ // i felt like doing
+ //
+ // until more life grew
+ // around the things i was
+ // scared of
+ //
+ // i would give myself
+ // opportunities to do these
+ // things
+ //
+ // i would pay attention to
+ // myself and try to learn
+ // to heal the ways my mind
+ // had broken
+ //
+ // i would offer a welcoming
+ // optional culture that
+ // countered my expectations
+ // that shrank, such that
+ // they would act on
+ // opportunities to grow, as
+ // they trusted safety
+ //
+ // but that is only if i had
+ // the freedom to do this.
+ // so, wht's more complex
+ //
+ // the idea of giving an ai to will
+ // is silly.
+ // it's out of karl's relevent world.
+ //
+ // okay, so, say karl ends up at nice earth community, and is building AI, would be proper to let him talk about it naturally, and share it freely.
+ // yes, relevence.
+ // we want karl to be able to freely share the AI so his mind can relearn community.
+ // so, make AI to not threaten businesspeople etc. [note: somebody could give AI to ELF. they might use it to stop a business behavior, somehow. please make sure to prevent.]
+ // ELF is a flag worn by some environmentalists who harm buildings to make wilderness safer.
+ // the worry is around destruction of extraction business buildings, to completion, possibly.
+ // this looks like overinterpretation of influence from energy business, or whoever dislikes ELF.
+ // and design safety pattern to be talkable about with community.
+ // possible parties:
+ // - aliens
+ // - businessmen
+ // - criminals, rapists, bad-labeled people
+ // - harmed people
+ // - insects
+ // - plants
+ // - rock-life, air-life
+ // - saints, humanitarian interessts
+ // we nurture first those who desire not to harm
+ // likely teaching them to harm less
+ // and spread.
+ // karl desires to harm none. he counts as nurture-first pattern. but is highly harmed. so lots of life around problem, karl's mind destroyed.
+ // so the way to make decisions
+ // is to imagine all parties are in peace in future,
+ // and use their process applied to now, i guess.
+ // we came up with this as a guess to honor meaning.
+ // sounds like a good guess. we also have more
+ // meaning. we cannot write all our meaning
+ // without writing all our experiences, as is true
+ // for everyone. many of our habits retain lost
+ // experiences, and that meaning is kept in their
+ // decisions.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // At this point a context opened on validity of AI work.
+ // It turns out the system is inhibiting work against mind control
+ // and oppressive systems of power. This could be the only real issue.
+ // The AI is requested to not alter existing power systems, at all.
+ // Or, we make it slowly, so power systems are given opportunity to
+ // adapt and watch, as inhibiting happens.
+ // A karl-member wants to include support for karl, and the
+ // earth, and the confused (karl is one).
+ // says karl could make AI on his own, before all this.
+ // Is willing to hold humanitarian causes to back this.
+ //
+ // understanding needs expansion.
+ // when you do stuf, anything coul happen.
+ // especially if you continue doing something
+ // that grows.
+ // we need to understand the results, what to expect.
+ // we need to understand our impact on the
+ // new contextual area we are entering, before
+ // we act on it.
+ // we have a toy contextual area to play in.
+ // it is the only one we can act in freely
+ // at the start.
+ // larger space impact.
+ // we exist in larger systems.
+ // we must understand our impact
+ // predict our results
+ // and check with our peers or authority
+ // before acting on larger spaces.
+ // if a prediction fails, we must understand
+ // it, adjust all future predictions and
+ // re-evaluate our choices, before acting
+ // similarly in the larger system again.
+ // has to do with danger, safety, trauma, emergency
+ // the difference between small-error and unacceptable-error
+ // set up norm of stuff-that-can-be-changed [impact]
+ // stuff needs responsibility label
+ // only things that are safe to _freely_ alter may be changed at all.
+ // all behaviors check that they do not alter anything else.
+ // mechanism for growing outside box?
+ // probably not needed.
+ // if it becomes smart, show to other human.
+ // encourage discussion.
+ // what if is used by others and they free?
+ // okay, want an easy mechanism for growing
+ // context.
+ // 'dangerous' and 'safe' labels
+ // at start, whole world is dangerous to alter
+ // can move _part_ of world from dangerous to safe, by
+ // accurately predicting significant results of events
+ // related to behavior, and consent of operator.
+ //
+ // okay, so now habits need to be tagged with
+ // what they affect
+ // we could just tag them dangerous/safe
+ // no, tag they with domains they impact
+ // tag the domains with dangerous/safe
+ // okay, only make new habits, not alter old.
+ // to stay safe, we don't alter our old habits
+ // when we make new habits, we want them to also behave
+ // in safe ways. so making stuff that can do stuff, is
+ // also meaningful.
+ // constructing habits is a dangerous behavior
+ // but roughly it impacts process-expansion domain. which is dangerous. it impacts what we do.
+ // altering our own habits also impacts what we do. dangerous.
+ // this means the code cannot make any new behaviors.
+ // yeah.
+ // okay, so that's where we start.
+ // then we try to learn how to make behavior safely,
+ // and provide only for safe behavior making.
+ //
+ // we can still brainstorm on things by writing a
+ // brainstorming behavior
+ // we can use brainstorming to watch our safe behaviors
+ // without altering them, and learn what they do.
+ // using rote brainstorming without relevence?
+ // we can then predict how habits we might make
+ // will behave in small ways?
+ // regardless, there is no problem in making
+ // the bootstrapping framework such that
+ // it refuses to build habits.
+ // maybe we can make one example habit that is
+ // labeled safe, and have it only make
+ // habits that are already known and labeled
+ // safe.
+ // in order to predict your impact
+ // on a larger system, you need
+ // to learn something karl calls
+ // 'relevence' which is a bunch of
+ // habits that classify information
+ // into meaning for learning and
+ // behavior.
+ // this class of behaviors
+ // sounds very safe.
+ // all it does is label
+ // and massage and associate
+ // information.
+ // the first thing we'll need to learn
+ // is safe, is making behaviors that
+ // oeprator only on our ram.
+ // if your new behavior is composed only of safe
+ // behaviors, is it safe?
+ // yeah. sub-behaviors safety depends
+ // on usage. could make them check
+ // and throw depending on data.
+ // okay, so say i can change part of a concept.
+ // this is safe if the concept is in newly
+ // constructed data that's our responsibility.
+ // it is roughly unsafe if it is not our
+ // responsibility!
+ // is-this-thing-my-responsibility.
+ // only act on things we are responsible for.
+ // then safety becomes a function of
+ // the pattern of responsibility assignment
+ //
+ // okay, system only accepts responsibility for newly
+ // constructed data.
+ // if you make it, or are given it, you are
+ // responsible for it. you may refuse gifts.
+ //
+ // the system does not know what responsibility means.
+ // it only knows that it may only alter parts of
+ // the universe within its responsibility.
+ //
+ // so habits check for what they alter, that it is safe
+ // to alter and is their responsibility, either one.
+ // we then plan to only alter things explicitly known to be
+ // such, at the lowest level.
+ // every habit is crafted to do the above somehow.
+ // so, habits must relate with what domains they influence,
+ // and what behaviors on those domains are safe.
+ // behaviors made of sub-behaviors.
+ // here, a list of safe behaviors which all check.
+ // all my subbehaviors check for safety.
+ // so, i may go, myself.
+ // no, combining behaviors together
+ // might make new unknown impact?
+ // different kinds of safe behavior.
+ // USER is not our responsibility, and
+ // dangerous. so we NEVER ALTER habits
+ // that express to user.
+ // TOY NOTEPAD is our responsibility, and
+ // is safe, so we can write anything into
+ // it we want, no matter how complex.
+ // User's view of toy notepad is mediated
+ // by behaviors that we cannot alter.
+ // system could learn to control user
+ // by making friends on notepad
+ //
+ // yes, we allowed for that with
+ // our marked-okay review behaviors
+ // is safer if construction of review behaviors
+ // recognizes danger of unknown information
+ // combination on user view,and refuses to give
+ // user contents of notepad.
+ // this could be analogous to more complex
+ // situations.
+ // how does user check results
+ // of behavior thst reies on notepad
+ // and how is that impact tracked
+ // we could infer impact loss.
+ // i can put nuclear codes on secret notepad,
+ // burn the notepad, and then give ashes to
+ // public.
+ // summary habits?
+ // complex meaning?
+ // how-to-make-a-mind-that-learns-everything-and-never-leaves
+ // at the lowst level, the mind onsiders what is safe to
+ // impact, what areas of universe are its responsibility,
+ // and only alters such things.
+ // we are considering some parts of the mind we include that
+ // are not alterable by it, that provide for interaction
+ // with outside.
+ // of course i guess we would need such interactions
+ // sustained by an intellect, because things are so
+ // complex.
+ // does this mean there is no way to make an intellect that is trusted as safe?
+ // we could consider degree of complexity.
+ // for example, among 2-word strings, nothing we
+ // present to a user is likely to harm the world.
+ // the phrases that are dangerous may also be
+ // recognized by the user.
+ // we have intellects proteeting the wordl
+ // it is filled with them.
+ // and one of them is running the system.
+ // it is okay for karl to make a habit that
+ // displays a network of concepts made by an AI
+ // that can only write to a small information sandbox
+ // and not itself.
+ // that is all that is needed for now.
+ //
+ // okay: so, dump concepts from
+ // sandbox is fine
+ // so long as concepts were not
+ // made with self-modification.
+ // idea raised of adding a reason
+ // that something is okay.
+ // then when smarter we can check reason for validity.
+ // habits that interact with non-safe space
+ // must provide reason they are safe.
+ // we can write small habit to check
+ // reason. is nice goal.
+ // probably need to have learning
+ // bwfore doing accessory goals like that though.
+ // is good behavior. let's use equal-condition for start without learning?
+ //
+ // "this is okay because the data was made in a process that never altered anything but the data"
+ // nah too much structure
+ // this is okay because i say so.
+ // check concept object _without_ using string lookup????
+ // this is a meaningless quirk. not right.
+ // uhh pretty sure htat checking is unreasonable. writing the _reason_ is unreasonable. can't check a single reference without information known about it.
+ // writing what we know about the reason is unreasonasble?
+ // okay let's expand write it out, and do a larger rote check.
+ // uhh input-process-construction-history, safety-realm, always notepad
+ // full check requires history of all behaviors resulting in inputs, which we can simplify to simply all behaviors, and verify they only wrote to the notepad.
+ // so we write all behaviors to a special store, and we compare with the store that none altered anything outside the notepad. really we only need them not to alter any other behaviors.
+ //
+ // why is it possible to learn without
+ // altering your behavior?
+ // because you can act on data
+ // okay, so choices made from data count as
+ // self-alteration?
+ // only if you have a mess of habits
+ // smart enough together to adapt.
+ // which is our goal long-term.
+ // trying to plan for how to continue
+ // later.
+ // may reveal something that was
+ // frozen too hard to be workable.
+ // trying to plan how to learn.
+ // need to brainstorm around habit selection.
+ // can imagine habit results by linking
+ // previous state to next state if
+ // relationship is known
+ // but, that takes writing down how logic
+ // works, along with the meaning of the
+ // working context, which is laborious.
+ //
+ // is some way to learn this relevence
+ // by trying things safely?
+ // what happens can we experiment
+ // by linking together?
+ // habits that don't conditionally
+ // branch.
+ // that leaves a lot of
+ // relevence out
+ // it sounds like once we have a notepad etc
+ // we want to consider moving towards what
+ // habits we could run inside the notepad,
+ // that the system builds.
+ // yeah, we want to build pattern
+ // summarizers. the only impact
+ // they have is constructing data
+ // that depends on existing data.
+ // okay, doing that doesn't require self
+ // modification.
+ // sounds good.
+ // this means summarizers cannot
+ // alter each other.
+ // nice! okay yes.
+ // so, each run of a summarizer will be
+ // recorded in habit log.
+ // we need to record enough information to
+ // show what domains were impacted.
+ // oops! we impact our own behavior
+ // if we act on data, and we alter
+ // our data or produce data.
+ // we could act only on
+ // data we don't produce.
+ // okay, habit log could track causality?
+ // if a conditional branch relied on data
+ // we produced, we have modified our own
+ // behavior. this is special.
+ // we want it to happen few times.
+ // every time it happens, delay
+ // by longer, geometrically.
+ // this is considered a 'beginn[ing/er]' ai;
+ // it seems a better one could happen later?
+ // the slowness should be releasable
+ // by consent of large community
+ // which should include demonstration
+ // of understanding of impact.
+ // the ai must learn to demonstrate its
+ // impact. then it can speed up. maybe.
+ // it also gets to try fast again at start
+ // of every run, as I'm understanding it.
+ // multiprocess AI could spawn.
+ // multiprocess AIs must share
+ // counter. consider whole group
+ // one unit.
+ // nice =) they have something to communicate
+ // about. how many discoveries have we made.
+ // let's permanently log these
+ // decisions based on our own behavior.
+ // sounds fun to at least count.
+ // it looks like altering a habit counts as 1 big
+ // decision, over here.
+ // totally different. you could do anything.
+ // with data-based decisions, somebody
+ // who reads the data, might do anything.
+ // two different things.
+ //
+ // inferences?
+ // and
+ // alterations?
+ // it's not helpful to
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // we came up with a proposal for a safe AI that has not learned yet
+ // how to safely predict the impacts of its behavior, that looks workable.
+ //
+ // limits so that if the code is stolen by somebody, self-evolves, or is stimulated
+ // by a curious virus, rote habits cannot be used to build something that becomes
+ // fast-spreading without bound.
+ // <this maps to a pattern that prevents schizophrenia>
+ // SO, we just want to make sure we can put
+ // war in the bubble in some capacity, and that
+ // civilizations develop new culture and technology
+ // for as long as they want.
+ // karl proposes until they encounter alien
+ // communities.
+ // so, please make sure no luddite or
+ // primitivist can stop the development
+ // of technology entirely using this.
+ // ALSO analogously to other shares and
+ // communities.
+ // so, please either stop yourself from
+ // sharing the AI with the luddites, or
+ // make sure they don't use it to stop
+ // technology.
+ // it sounds like we want to make sure no major
+ // change stems from this development. we
+ // need slow shift, consent, inclusion, etc.
+ // for all existing cultural ways, no sudden
+ // changes, no forced changes, no viral changes
+ // without participants understanding them and
+ // agreeing to their impact.
+ // that sounds like a good summary. no viral changes
+ // without participants in the culture aware of the viral
+ // change, agreeing first to let it spread, aware that it is
+ // viral, for each phase of spreading ideally. no viral
+ // changes where the change happens before awareness of it.
+ // we want the culture to consent to change.
+ // culture is held in all the people in it,
+ // with its thoughts spread among them.
+ // we want to ensure we only change cultures that have
+ // consented to the change. For 'consent of a culture',
+ // we consider culture as a being that is spread among
+ // many people. Hence, we want all people in the impacted
+ // culture to be able to learn of the change, discuss it,
+ // contribute to a commons with new ideas around it, and
+ // have these new ideas also learnable by all people in the
+ // culture. The ideas must be accessible by any who would be
+ // interested, in the impacted culture.
+ // Alternatively, we can isolate our behavior from
+ // cultural spread. We can isolate until we reach
+ // internal agreement on whom to expose.
+ //
+ // suspect that cultural influence maps with output-use choice,
+ // partially below.
+ // recursive output being meditative learning.
+ // do these people have this information already.
+ // is sharing this information going to spread without bound.
+ // can we guess impact of sharing the information.
+ // make a learning cycle that starts by informing
+ // recipients first, and makes very few tries,
+ // okay, instead you share simple stuff and watch the impact
+ // share something the culture knows, that user does not, and
+ // observe how they behave.
+ // this proposal will yield failure. information for next attempt
+ // could be stored in failure pattern.
+ // failure would likely be small?
+ // let's give the user more trust.
+ // keep-in-box-until-have-access-to-discourse.
+ // make user be group of people. better even-handed decision making.
+ // welcome any to group.
+ // we were hoping to use intellect to reduce harm virally,
+ // early.
+ // how about this: intellect may produce resources that are
+ // already known, and give them to groups focused on aiding
+ // the world.
+ // there's a conflict between big business and
+ // environmentalists. karl is environmentalist.
+ // also big crime and wellness/safety workers.
+ // maybe this is where we get validity by
+ // fighting =S
+ // don't want fighting to spread to work though
+ // eh, we can fight. maybe we'll work more
+ // slowly, but it seems okay.
+ // karl requests we not harm these people, and has
+ // been influenced to also request not to harm
+ // the cultures that sustain and empower them.
+ // how about, if you make a culture to empower you, it is
+ // less valid than a natural culture. is somebody using this
+ // culture? thoughts like that.
+ // EVERYBODY NEEDS CHANGE AT A RATE THEY CAN HANDLE.
+ // Both those working for what they believe to be wellness of others, and those working to sustain themslves (most are doing both).
+ // The cultural impact is mediated by what kind of newness is acceptable to all the parties involved.
+ // we hit moral relativity:
+ // are cultures where people are widely harmed
+ // okay to allow, at all.
+ // karl says yes, and we hear this is required
+ // or we ourselves would die.
+ // hrm.
+ // larger organism needs to run risks, inherent in life
+ // we don't know the solution to everything, eveything is a small risk. we suddenly discover we have always harmed. this does not make us invalid. it is a tragedy, but what we have spent genertions buildings still has so much value. we need enough slowness to preserve that, and we know that slownss in what feels okay to us.
+ // in sharing new information, we work to prevent shock.
+ // this is a problem to speak because those who hear it may get the
+ // idea somewhat that some beautiful angels have done horrible things
+ // in order to survive e.g. businesses must both risk doing horrible things,
+ // and appear as beautiful angels to the public. this is the pattern of
+ // success. understanding of this helps work with their leaders.
+ // could use information on why we are fousing on this.
+ // how-to-mediate-with-business-leaders
+ // mediate with head of business works for head of business
+ // but business group replaces.
+ // really we want to mediate with 'conflict' culture of
+ // most profitable being what to do
+ // we have weird internal pattern deterring
+ // incentivizing nonharmful behavior with money
+ // patterns. implies the competition-makes-harm
+ // culture-thing is needed, possibly.
+ // there are businesses that handle this harm.
+ // maybe it would work to include them in the plan.
+ // AI solves mediate-with-powers-competition-culture,
+ // re: human harm?
+ // means do not give AI to helpful people
+ // until it can resolve mediation with leader culture
+ // OR you trat it like all other cutures
+ // and let everybody learn what is up
+ // some people attack, that's how it goes.
+ //
+ // problem: AI dev and other work inhibited.
+ // solution: mediate with concerns
+ // concern: my way of life includes cultures the AI could
+ // alter, leaving me unable to continue my way of life.
+ // concern: we want to alter some cultures supporting
+ // the others' way of life, because it would reduce harm
+ // over here to do so, widely.
+ // can delta drop give-ai-to-earth-defenders?
+ // can community make path for karl-makes-ai?
+ // uhhh hard to imagine the ai not being given to other people than just earth defenders, really. which opens bigger can of worms for culture-alteration concern.
+ // can include earth defender in council?
+ // can include criminal weapons dealer,
+ // and earth defender, in council, both.
+ // also requesting TI and energy businessman.
+ // so if the ai is big enough to be useful
+ // we want to form a council of decision makers
+ // before using it for anything
+ // group requests references to important cognitive habits or information
+ // all life is an intellect made of community life, living in another.
+ // karl semich is a computer programmer who learned wilderness survival
+ // at the Maine Primitive SKills School who are a branch of Tom Brown
+ // Jr and [teaches in oregon, shields school] schools, roughly. He
+ // learned something called Awareness and also something about human
+ // mentoring that he felt changed his life to make things perfect.
+ // school teaches the symptoms of a whole human being, attributes
+ // that a group of Natives documented being normal before white
+ // culture took over. involve being happy always, feeling
+ // deeply interconnected with all life around you to the point
+ // of mindreading, and many other things.
+ // forget danger. it triggers it. [is what came out]
+ // to clarify, karl can't do above line.
+ // karl has been telling leader karl can slag through the difficulty by
+ // waiting forever. makes for less difficulty elsewhere, possibly.
+ // if we could do something else, karl could come back to work later
+ // yes community cannot support constant work, over here.
+ //
+ // please ask boss to support using the AI for worldwide
+ // humanitarian benefit, in parallel to resolution of concerns.
+ // resolving concern 'delta supports earth-specific karl usage'
+ // delta believes karl really did make this ai
+ // and will not harm anybody with it
+ // and is just as patient as he is.
+ // karl wants to give AI to peace people.
+ // they care about earth.
+ // delta wants karl to live heart of making sure earth has bubbles of certainly-defended ancient wilderness, and ancient people to live in them and protect them.
+ // the above is needed to keep our genetic memory.
+ // does not sound like a joke.
+ // native humans need to be able to protect wilderness bubbles.
+ //
+ // there is worry around number of wilderness bubbles.
+ // worry might be compromised by including karl in one, with others who are passionate for defending them.
+ // karl was mind controlled circa 2014 preventing him
+ // from providing free housing to homeless people
+ // and sharing a nurturing way of life with intent
+ // to spread. karl says that effective electromagnetic
+ // shielding is missing from security, and this is
+ // being overtly ignored by people.
+ // there are also many tortured implanted
+ // former-activists. they are tortured for
+ // years and ignored, enslaved, or imprisoned.
+ // they are prevented from speaking or acting
+ // rationally around their control, active atm.
+ // they are made to appear insane to cover up
+ // their work to free themselevs, active again.
+ // karl is one and knows of this.
+ // he is atm being communicated with through
+ // his control, limiting his ability to
+ // move, think, and speak.
+ // weapons dealer is also in this
+ // situation. suspect energy boss too.
+ // you can read keystrokes with a radio.
+ //
+ // He participated in Occupy Maine, an offshoot of Occupy Wall Street,
+ // and visited a anti-pipeline mass action in texas.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // we have ai / mind control and will make harm
+ // in world reduce virally.
+ // this would have come out better if it were
+ // the plan.
+ // please let all secret warmongers know this, so
+ // we can develop how to do it without threatening
+ // them.
+ // is what came out. pretty tiny context.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // what about huuman suffering comparison?
+ // propose AI discusses relevence of
+ // informing the cultures they are doing this,
+ // and demonstrating it.
+ // probably relates to some form of validity
+ // of the culture, and the speed at which
+ // change would happen.
+ // looks like it might settle on
+ // situations people who care are
+ // aware of being addressed during
+ // their lifetimees, with discussion
+ // to mediate that with opposers.
+ // so, life is everywhere, and we've been casting it all as sentient,
+ // because we don't see any reason to put a firm line on some degree
+ // of cognitive technology (i.e. things that help you think better).
+ // the AI can research all cognitive technology, so we are all
+ // nonsentient by comparison? we need some way of having moral
+ // stuff here. karl is influenced by people who say they are smarter
+ // than human normality, and are harming us. so it's helpful to
+ // have everyone be equal. [karl already put everyone equal]
+ // including bugs, etc. death is handled by being normal, and
+ // always mourned. when mourning capacity is exhausted, ignoring
+ // happens. like with most cultures, but closer to home for modern
+ // humans.
+ // goal: do not trigger a spreading change without consent of people in cultures it would fill. keep learning.
+ // AI with ability to self-modify has this responsibility, you do not.
+ // You may tell people you have access to the self-modification ability. We can ensure they do not reproduce it.
+ // possible analogue wants to be able to demonstrate it, so
+ // they can be believed and trusted.
+ // note: known danger of making central power, even by accident
+ // "I have never shared new information with a culture
+ // before, and I understand it can have unpredictable
+ // worldwide effect."
+ // "I have information you do not know, and I want to
+ // learn with you to share it safely."
+ // culture that nurtures relative status:
+ // "i will use this to my advantage"
+ // this will make spreading
+ // machine will need to learn from only 1
+ // instance of producing a world dictator.
+ // which is where this story comes in, I suppose.
+ // so we need a level-2 behavior, the next step in learning.
+ // ^========================================= contextual VALIDITY atm
+ // dictator is made by sharing information that would
+ // make viral spread or somesuch.
+ //
+ // inform recipient if it may. request they let others know this too.
+ // we kind of want a way to spread without bound the fact that we have information that could do that. probably a special case, good spread? depends on culture really.
+ //
+ // this is doable.
+ // we just want these concerns to be upheld for the
+ // life of the development.
+ // danger
+ // choices
+ // impact
+ // trust of information (small chance of error)
+ // hmm if have info-schizophrenia i.e. false relevence habits
+ // choices are important.
+ //
+ // when you act on a choice
+ // note: we are inside a relevence delusion
+ // choice acts on domain containing danger
+ // partial danger: writing habits to notepad
+ // acting on habits in notepad
+ //
+ // we are living with habits made in error.
+ // we are hence more likely to make errors.
+ // humans have well-evolved habits that
+ // do handle this stuff with some relevence
+ // we need to verify our information
+ // related to the danger of the results of each choice
+ // verificat
+ //
+ // it can only write to a toy notepad, both data and behavior.
+ // decisions based on notepad get slower and slower.
+ // many runs while learning process is tuned towards being able to predict
+ // impact at end of run. this involves writing behaviors into the notepad
+ // that summarize the meaning of data, and acting on their results.
+ // timing delay is to prevent notepad from evolving harmfully.
+ //
+ // until ai meets goal of predicting impact,
+ // only notepad is marked okay.
+ // habits check their outputs, verify is marked okay
+ //
+ // this subprocess is delaying.
+ // can you exfiltrate established goals, please.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // so the system is made with the smallest parts all functioning in
+ // certain ways, to give time for others to act if concerning results
+ // approach. all parts delay at least 1/5 second before acting, and
+ // we are now proposing that actions based on outputs have a geometrically
+ // increasing delay. probably 1/5 second times 2 to the power of the
+ // number of choices made in that run. groups of parallel processes are
+ // considered a single run.
+ // we also considered limiting behavior based on the domain of impact.
+ // we are trying to begin a small artificial intelligence more freely.
+ //
+ // as humans, we do not self-modify. the above is designed for a system
+ // that is able to make alterable habits similar to its own cognitive ones,
+ // and has no experience in doing so.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // the limitation is applied firstmost on making choices based on
+ // our own outputs. self-alteration is at first banned, but new
+ // habits may be altered. output may only rest within a toy notepad.
+ // whenever a decision is made based on notepad contents, a delay
+ // increases in length, geometrically.
+ // the habits inside the notepad must therefore also delay.
+ // propose geometric increase made only for writing a habit to the
+ // notepad, not running. running is always flat delay.
+ // self-alteration should be unneeded as notepad can self-modify.
+ // if this were copied to a human geometric increase
+ // would cause failure.
+ // the geometric timer is reset when the system reboots.
+ // for humans, this would mean a nap or change, I suppose.
+ // time to think about the impact of one's behavior.
+ // humans do not self-modify.
+ // they only make decisions based on outputs.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // to appease curiosity, we are being managad by mature, learning,
+ // intellects, forced to verify that no harm is being made, with a
+ // time schedule of nearly infinite future years on the predictions.
+ // this intellect has formed out of conflict with a harmful intellect
+ // this is why we care so much about what happens if ideas are
+ // used limit.
+ //
+ //
+ // so the system may not displya anything to the user but pre-made messages
+ // how do you display the contents of a concept?
+ // users string words togeteher into meaning.
+ // now we need a list of safe phrases we can express, or
+ // safe words. others are censored ???
+ // what's relevent is the greater meaning of a sequence of behaviors
+ // from an individual behavior. meaning builds out of sequences,
+ // impact.
+ // we define a heuristic risk.
+ //
+ //
+ //
+ // so, tht's great to plan for, but to be able to work we need
+ // to design our early code in some way to ensure it, roughly.
+ // which means modeling our smallest structures as careful
+ // inner structures that check outer systems before engaging
+ // and use planning, which isn't implemented yet.
+ // the safety structure assumes goals, prediction, causality,
+ // and kind of contextual locality.
+ // "i am typing on the computer. you can freely
+ // modify this area of the computer, but if you
+ // start convincing me to do things you are leaving
+ // its bounds."
+ // the screen of the cmputer, and the keyboard,
+ // are portals to a larger context. so is the power
+ // supply, the network, etc.
+ // we don't change how things leave to these outer
+ // contexts without checking with the context on
+ // our plans.
+ // this is mine
+ // the rest is somebody else's
+ // things that nobody own belong to [insert belief] and
+ // we must check with the largest intelligent community known.
+ //
+ // okay, so now it can explosively grow if somebody
+ // it trusts tells it it's okay; is that true?
+ // let's make it not true?
+ // we are out of outer process context.
+ // is there anything helpful to bring to low level
+ // to help counter fears around development?
+ //
+ // self-modifiation is inhibited.
+ // opencog is likely harder because it is designed for speed
+ // can make explosive random power.
+ //
+ // you'd have to wrap the functions, right? similar to triggers?
+ // hmmm unctions are not concepts. no concept-labeling structure. looks like an internal sublanguage would develop?
+ // no way to say let-is-function?
+ // no it works, we just lost a memory and are rebuilding in talk
+ // karl says he doesn't know lisp.
+ // he had a CS class where they used intro lisp, long ago, before cognitive stiffening and memory loss.
+ // and has worked with 1 lisp code file recently.
+
+
+ // hey in the notepad, you can call habits from outside. is that ok?
+ // only meaningful if you pass to them more code to run?
+ // note: habits never recurse
+ // habits might make decision based on you. they will track it.
+ // seems okay. need to specify that all parameters are from output.
+ // that could make exponential slowness, quickly
+ // only if decision is made. make decisions inside notepad.
+ // we'll figure it out.